Re-defining Normal
On Re-Defining Normal, we are having conversations to question conventional thinking and talk about the courage it takes to create, and live, a deliciously vibrant life.
This podcast is for people who know there's a better way to do life and love....how we show up in connection to others, our kids, our partner, our business... and beyond that our relationship with money, vitality and more than anything, ourselves.
We're two shamelessly unapologetic moms choosing to experience the fullness of life and we're collapsing the conditioning that says you can't live a life of pleasure, peace and abundance in the midst of the mundane of work, life and kids.
Re-defining Normal
Episode 7: How Compassion Transforms Partnerships
Imagine if the key to a thriving relationship wasn't about rigid roles but about shared curiosity and mutual growth. Join us as we dismantle the myth that women are inherently more psychic, revealing that everyone has the potential to access these abilities. Through personal reflections and anecdotes, we unearth the nuances of relationship dynamics, challenging conventional teachings around polarity and the traditional expectations of submission and leadership.
We dive into the heart of equality and authenticity in relationships, emphasizing the importance of finding a partner who aligns with your desired dynamic rather than molding someone into a predetermined role. Discover the unique challenges faced by human design manifesters in dating and the balance required between initiating actions and allowing a partner to lead. Learn why the "happy wife, happy life" mentality can lead to resentment and how shifting towards mutual satisfaction can foster genuine interactions and a stronger connection.
Curiosity isn't just a trait; it's a powerful tool for nurturing healthy relationships. By asking deeper, more meaningful questions, we can uncover alternative outcomes and create win-win scenarios. Explore how compassion and understanding can bridge gaps created by societal norms and traditional roles. Tune in to uncover insights on how to show up as your fullest self, fostering authentic connections and creating a more harmonious and fulfilling relationship landscape. Don't miss this enlightening conversation that promises to reshape your view on love and partnership.
Welcome to redefining normal. Join us as we question conventional thinking and talk about the courage it takes to create and live a deliciously vibrant life.
Speaker 2:This podcast is for people who know there's a better way to do life and love how we show up in connection to others our kids, our partners, our business and, beyond that, our relationship with money, vitality and, more than anything, ourselves.
Speaker 1:We're two shamelessly unapologetic moms choosing to experience the fullness of life.
Speaker 2:And we're collapsing the conditioning that says you can't live a life of pleasure, peace and abundance in the midst of the mundane of life, responsibilities, work and kids.
Speaker 1:Thank you for listening in. Let's do this Today on the show. Jamie and I hopped in from a conversation that we were just having between ourselves which is often how these shows start and we were talking about relationship dynamics and polarity, and so that's what our show is about today. So as you lean into this, enjoy the show what I've been thinking about when you say this. So Jamie and I were just talking in case this actually ends up as a thing. We were just talking about polarity between men and women and women being the oracle for the men and that they were, generally speaking, more psychic and gifted in the other realms in our clear senses. And I said I don't think that it actually is about that, because we're not necessarily more gifted. It's just that we have that initial experience of it, but all of us can.
Speaker 1:And then you said something about polarity and how there's so many people teaching polarity things, and it's what I wanted to say.
Speaker 1:And that was like I think it's really interesting that there are these divides of where it has to be like such strong polarity ends to the spectrum and it's like the woman to completely be in her submissive and in her surrender and all these things and the man's supposed to completely lead, and I actually think sometimes it gets like really messy in this, but also there's truth to it and I I think that every relationship, though like and I think this is where the I think fuzzy waters or the fuzzy lines go is that every relationship is different, Right?
Speaker 1:So like it might not work for that relationship that the man wants to do it a certain way and the woman wants to do it a certain way and that they find their way together, and I think that's where a lot of people kind of mess it up. But in the meantime, I think the other thing around leading to from women to men is like we give them the idea, but it's not like you're voiceless, it's like they're like I always, I always say to my partner it's like I will lead, I will follow your lead as long as you're leading me to where I want to go.
Speaker 2:Right I've had that conversation with Kyle as well that the leadership is inspired by what I desire to create, or at least in part. You know like that it is considerate of that, but I'm not going to, and this is actually so. We were talking about the gym even before this, but even at the gym, I can feel the difference between some like when Kyle's like spotting me or guiding me or whatever when he's doing something to my body, versus supporting my body in the direction that I want it to go, and it's similar than in leading for anything, what's up.
Speaker 1:Sorry, you said something about the gym and then the whole thing just cracked out.
Speaker 2:I would say so at the gym, because we've just started working out together and so like he was spotting me or he was like trying to show me how to do things, and I could feel the difference between when he was trying to move my body, trying to do something to my body and force it into something, versus supporting my body to do what I wanted it to do, wanted it to do, and they felt very different and this I feel like it speaks to. What you're talking about is like if you're guiding me in alignment with myself, I will follow that a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:If you are guiding me against my own knowing I can't, I can't, and that's part of that dynamic and the responsibility is the man to be guiding in consideration and support of the wellbeing of the whole. And um, but even what you were talking about, like polarity coaching, um, is like making more room for that to be beautiful too. Like there are some spaces where it's like, yeah, very polarized, right, like all feminine for her very leadership masculine oriented for him, all feminine for her very leadership masculine oriented for him. And where I sit with, that is like that's beautiful for those two people that are looking for that dynamic and want that dynamic and are willing to cultivate that dynamic.
Speaker 2:The trap that can happen is someone who's in a place where they maybe aren't experiencing what they want to in relationship can outsource and be like, oh, that must be what I need to do in order to create or find what works, versus staying internal and asking like, is that what I want? Is that experience and that dynamic? What I want to create, first of all and then second of all, you know, like, like is is my partner interested in that same thing? Versus like, oh, that's working, let me, let me do that. That must be the quote, unquote, right way Um versus this, like staying really centered in what is in alignment for you, what is correct for your desires, for your purpose, for your whatever. And I've been guilty of doing that, like I've seen things and I'm like, oh wow, that sounds awesome, I want that versus I want what is in my highest and best, not what looks amazing and beautiful for another alchemical equation of two different people.
Speaker 1:Totally. It makes me think of like I don't know the word like the disharmony or the dysfunction in that dynamic I think is the word yeah, in that there's men in the world, and I was thinking even as we were talking about this, because for a man to lead, that's, leading us to where we want to go takes a high level attunement to us to where we want to go, takes a high level attunement to to us, to us as the woman, absolutely, and not every man can do this, and this is where I think the dysfunction comes. There's a lot of men who will lead to what they want, and then a woman who doesn't have her own sovereignty and her own inner reflection will follow because they're like, oh, thank god, there's a man who's leading me, or, thank God, there's a man who's caring for me, but it's not always that they're caring for you, for what you want. They're caring for you for their own needs to be met, and that I don't think is the healthiest dynamic.
Speaker 2:Realistically you can look at this. There are men that override their own knowing because she wants what she wants, and so you know it's like it goes both ways their own knowing because she wants what she wants, and so you know it's like it goes both ways. It goes both ways Totally. Both of the individuals in a relationship are not attuned to their own knowing.
Speaker 2:But yeah, if there's, if there, if the two individuals aren't insourced and being guided by their own connection to core, then, yeah, it's really easy to get to override yourself in when, especially when there's someone in the dynamic or in the room who is like I know how to do this, I know how to make it work, and that should always be. I know how to make it work for me and I need you to know how to make it work for you, and then we work together to create chemistry in that. Yeah, because I love relationships where they're very equal. I love relationships where there is no polarity. I love relationships where the polarity is inverted to traditional roles, as long as both people involved love it and are intentionally co-creating that with each other, that there is no like, right or wrong way. Men should act, women should act and relationships should be.
Speaker 2:And if you want that, any specific type of relationship, find a partner who also wants that type of relationship.
Speaker 2:Not trying to force a partner because you've chosen them and now you want them to accommodate your relationship style, yeah, or even doing it to yourself, right, relationship style. Or even doing it to yourself, right, like I actually am more suited to this type of dynamic, but now I see these people saying this is the right way. So maybe let me contort myself to be more feminine or less feminine, or whatever circle you're in, whatever conversations you're hearing is going to be different to what you know, what your mind is picking up and thinking. You quote, unquote should be doing A hundred percent. I have an open head, and Ajna too, so I can really take on ideas and be like oh wow, maybe that's the way this should work. And so I have to be very intentional about discerning what I internalize versus what I just hear and acknowledge and then come back to myself and does that, does that actually resonate with me? Is that in service to me in my highest, and then let the rest go, which has been a learning process to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's easy to caught up in it, it is, it is, especially when your design is to just kind of, you know, be inspired by it all, take it all and amplify it.
Speaker 1:There's two things that have come. When you said that One is remind me I'm going to say happy wife, happy life thing in a second, but the thing that is coming to me from this is being a manifester, right? So like being a manifester in this so human design manifestor. Um, you know this, it's been such a freaking hard journey, like it's not been easy for me in dating, to understand how to be a manifestor and stand in my own truth, which is to initiate. Right, it's the complete opposite of what people would teach you in polarity school. It's like I'm not supposed to be the initiator, I'm not supposed to be the one driving the relationship. I I'm not, but like it doesn't matter what I do, naturally I initiate like you just come into my field, jamie, I'll say it, I fucking initiate all the damn time. Yeah, and as a generator.
Speaker 2:I love all of that energy to respond to. I'm like Ooh yes, Ooh, yes, I like this, I'll do that. You know, it's like having someone offering continual something to respond to is amazing Right, but in the world of dating it was really it is.
Speaker 1:It has been a really big challenge for me because I also get really frustrated in the wait. I'm like, oh God, do I have to wait for him to fucking do this? I have to wait for him to pick the date. I have to wait for him and I'm like because in me, in my world, I'm already done, I've already the dates picked, the things done, the time right, but I have to wait and let him lead. And in the dating, in the dating pool, I say like for me it has been work on that, because if I totally come in and castrate and like, don't give them yeah, and they don't feel that doesn't feel good either.
Speaker 2:No no.
Speaker 1:This balance of and what I'm, what I've learned, is like again. It's like this informing of what I want, yeah, and then they get to take it from there, Exactly yeah. So I inform, which is my job as a manifester, and then they take it from there.
Speaker 1:It's Um. It's really funny because uh can't say the name. Um, my partner doesn't know yet. I haven't actually said this to him yet, but like one day he said to me he said it to me multiple times. He's like I love your ideas, carrie, and I'm like, yeah, I just. It just makes me smile because I have obviously in this, in this situation, being able to find somebody who I land the ideas and then he runs with them. He always he's like he'll run with them or he won't. He'll be like I don't, but generally speaking, he loves the ideas and the way that I've started to be able to land things with him doesn't feel castrating.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, and so it's been. This journey, like on the dating place and this is what you were talking about is like living into who we are but then also letting other people be who they are, yeah, and, and actually that probably does lead into the happy wife, happy life. So I talked about it in it ends with me, um, my book, and I talk about the fact that so often as men, they they have that saying I don't know, do we have it here in America or is it really more Australian Happy wife, happy life, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's the thing, yeah, but it becomes like resentful. It's like I don't want this, but I got to do whatever she wants in order to Right.
Speaker 1:And this is what my point is is there's a lot of people in the world, there's a lot of men in the world, who are doing this role. And this is what my point is is there's a lot of people in the world, there's a lot of men in the world who are doing this role. The happy wife, happy life yeah, and so nobody's happy no, and then they end up people pleasing, yeah, and then no one feels good. Like that was part of the end of Hugh and I was like. I was like stop, stop doing anything that you need to do to please me.
Speaker 2:That doesn't actually please you. Yeah, let's see if this actually works, right, like. But people are afraid of the honest truth of that. Like, what if it doesn't work? Oh my God, what am I going to do, you know? So there is some courage in letting the truth of that come to the surface.
Speaker 1:Because you guess what it might end. Right, right, right. But if it ends by the way, you might find something even better. A lot Right.
Speaker 2:And if it doesn't end, you also find something better. I mean, like it's the same with Kyle and I. We had to get really honest, like if we're both our true selves. Does this work? And we ended up in a place where it did. You know, so it's like, but we both had to be willing to know that it might not. In order to get here, we couldn't be attached to a specific outcome, so you still?
Speaker 1:you still aren't attached to it.
Speaker 2:No, no, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:You're still like we're both going to be who we are and until the day that we can't be, yeah.
Speaker 2:Until the day that that doesn't work. To do things in the equation that we are, yeah, but even it's like making room for that makes it more and more easy to know or to feel secure in. No matter what I do, no matter what direction I go, he's still going to be a supporter. He's still going to be there, maybe not in the same capacity or definition or dynamic, but he's always going to be there and and I'm not attached to that, it's like I'm okay if he's not, and that's actually what makes room for him to be the pair. The irony of it, you know.
Speaker 1:Because ultimately in relationship like and I think this is a big, a big thing that really doesn't get talked about is that men want freedom Like we all do. Big, a big thing that really doesn't get talked about is that men want freedom like we all do, but I think, especially for a man they really want freedom and most women we like smother them.
Speaker 2:Yeah we smother them. It makes us feel safer, like right, if I can control everything, then I don't need to be uncomfortable and I can't live without you, so I can't let you do all these things.
Speaker 2:In case you might leave me, because and I mean like that existed, meant to. There are anxious, attached men who like smother and control. Similarly, it's you know, it looks different, probably in relationship, but um, the energy can, yeah, exist on the other side as well, and it is. Is it's a fear? It's a it's fear of abandonment, fear of um well, I mean, you name it, whatever your wound is you know, trying to avoid that. So but where were you going with the? Um, happy wife, happy life. Was there more?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it was just kind of kind of more like this whole thing around. Like that, we need to be sovereign in our own selves and we need to be able to uh, show up in the true authenticity authenticity of our desires. And what I'm finding in my current relationship is that, the more that we do, there's always a middle ground somehow, right, and if and if there isn't, if there's too many places where there isn't like, then it's probably not the right place. Yeah, that is valuable information too.
Speaker 2:Like you need to be able to know that in order to create a healthy dynamic you have to be also open to the fact that this person may not be able to co-create that with you. But I think when we live in a society that's like find a partner and then that's it, like you got to find them and you capacity to be true to what works for you and what doesn't work for you. But I think even in those dynamics, if everybody can come back to self-acceptance and acceptance of other, you can make anything work right. Like you make room for the other person's truths as well, as far out or unrecognizable to you as they may be. If you can create like honor for that other person's reality too, there there is, there's a wide space for middle ground when you can do that.
Speaker 1:Hmm, yes, and then everybody's happier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, and I think it's interesting if I come at like this people pleasing thing again and happy wife, happy life, like it's almost even as we've talked about it, I feel the um, um, I can feel like the lashing at men for going to work, providing, not being around for the kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, like this whole thing of like, oh, they have it easy, there's a lot of women who will say, oh, they have it easy, yeah, right, or like they don't have to do anything, or then they come home and I make dinner for them and I've got to do all these. You know, whatever, whatever the thing is Cause it's a very I hear it often right, and it's interesting because in that, like I hear on the other side of it now, as people who are my clients as been on dates, listening to people's marriages or their relationships and all these things, I'm like man. I actually have a lot of compassion for the men, because a lot of these guys, they go out and do this and they literally like, like, they burn themselves out to the point where so many of them end up with heart attacks yeah, huge illnesses, right, because they have put themselves out and they've burned themselves out for so many years looking after a family and so often it's just taken for granted. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, I mean like think about this If we both did this, if women could hold more compassion for the men in their lives and if men could hold compassion for the experience of the women in our lives.
Speaker 1:Right, because Because both are hard, and I'm saying this going like they each have their respective challenges.
Speaker 2:You know, and it's so easy to be like mine's harder. You don't even know, they don't and we don't. But we can have compassion and curiosity for the lived experience of the other and that's what creates that wide. You know't know your lived experience, but I can still hold curiosity and compassion for it. You know, like I didn't experience it the same way, but it's kind of bullshit to be like, yeah well, that wasn't how it worked for me, so you know you should be doing it different. That doesn't work for anybody. No, Right.
Speaker 1:I think I also want to go back and even in this like piece here, like put a little like tick mark, because I can hear, I can hear the people who are like, but I work a job and I come home and I da, da, da da as a woman, right, and I'm not talking about that Like if it is a really totally like miss, miss, balanced thing where, like you, are out and working and taking care of an entire house and your partner and those things exist as well, like that exists and that's a conversation, right, and that's a conversation between you two, and you're right, like there needs to be a different dynamic around that and like oftentimes there's a lot, of, a lot of people who are in that polar, that dynamic of the woman stays home and the man goes to work.
Speaker 1:And yes, we do want their support in that way, and this is also the decision you two made. So it's like, how do you find your way through it and actually have a lot of love and compassion for him too, because he is playing the role that you're asking him to play, and what, if?
Speaker 2:what if?
Speaker 2:Well, or there's gotta be more communication Cause I think it's like, if you're not happy, um, in the role, whatever role that may be, working, not working, working full time, making equal pay, whatever right, like it's like if you're unhappy, the discussion has to be had, and not from a place of blame and resentment, but from love and from finding common ground, and I think that's the piece that's missing so often.
Speaker 2:Is that it that the conversation comes from a place of resentment and blame and like it's like they are fighting each other versus. We're on the same side here and we're trying to co-create something that makes both of us happy, and not pitting each other, like pitting yourself against the other, but actually seeing them as the partner that you've chosen to be with. You know, and I think that if, if, if you can't have that conversation, then the question becomes is is this a relationship worth being in, right, like? I think that the, the, the wrong questions and the wrong um, not even wrong Right, cause I don't I don't love that word but like, um, or not helpful questions are being asked.
Speaker 1:The quality of life is based on the quality of questions that you ask. So if you ask good questions, you'll get the good answers. And I say we're saying good and bad. Right, I've got quotes here. But like there are really good questions that you can ask, they'll ask.
Speaker 2:Like that, a lot of people will avoid because they're not the questions that we hear every day all around us, is the, is the. I think part of the challenge Like, like we always talk about, the norm is pitting man against woman. They don't understand us, they're bullshit, and there is both the men or the women, depending on which side you're on, and I think it's not even men and women like the, the. They don't understand me.
Speaker 2:Across any divide is problematic, is creating more separation and is not getting us closer to understanding ourself and other on a deeper level, but that's what we're fed. I mean like. If you look at any TV show, any, I mean like can you name any TV shows where the family dynamics are super healthy and the, the, the parents, are in a healthy, loving, functional relationship and there's communication and there's respect and there's cooperation? You know it's like we, we are shown a really dysfunctional picture of relating and marriage and family, and so it's up to us to not replicate what's modeled for us, but to ask deeper questions that are not in the realm of normal. And actually, what do I want to create and what questions are going to help me create? That is is how you change anything really.
Speaker 2:I love that seriously, can you think of?
Speaker 1:any, the one, the only one that's come to my mind is the Netflix series. This Is Us. Uh-huh. It feels like the most real, raw, like even in their dysfunction there's function. Mm-hmm, because there's just the love. Like, how do we come back to each other? How do we make this work? How do we figure this out? Yeah, and I feel like that messy is probably one of the best and it's probably why it was such a loved show.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Is because it's probably one of the best, most real, without being like hollywood. Dysfunction yeah, like a real, like a real, I'm like a real family quote-unquote dysfunction in the fact that that's a normal dysfunction and that they just keep coming back to love and they keep asking the questions and the fact that that's an adult show.
Speaker 2:So like, like in our generation I mean, we watched and then our kids are watching sitcoms and Disney and whatever, and what I see a lot, cause I have two teen kids. What I see a lot in the themes is kids operating independently, Like their parents have no clue. Their parents are completely uninvolved in the things they're doing, the conversations they're having. There is no reference to wisdom or trusting in the parental dynamic in the house. And the weirdest thing to me I've talked to my kids about this is the people that are playing teenagers are like 20-somethings across the board. There are no teenagers playing teenagers on TV. They're all like 20-something adults playing junior high and high school kids.
Speaker 1:I know right, I just saw a thing on TV shows. It's so weird On Bridgerton, so I haven't finished watching the last of them. There's like two more I have to get through. I mean, come on, no, probably tonight.
Speaker 1:I know, I think it's a sexy, but it was really interesting because they actually did one that was like their ages, their real ages to who their character ages were. Yeah, um, and penelope is 37 and she plays a 20 year old, 21 year old or something like that. Right, yeah, and there's quite a few of them that are in their 30s, playing down to 20.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there are 20 somethings playing 17 year olds and I think the the challenging part for me in that is that then my 13 year old and my 17, 18 year old is trying to look like an adult, right, you know what I mean, and I'm like your body isn't even developed that way yet, you know. So it's. It's very interesting. Then we see it all over social media, like we see it in the way that kids are acting and dressing and makeup, being and I mean like even my kids they look older than they are a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:People see my kids and they're like oh my God, they do not look their age.
Speaker 2:No, but part of that is also they don't act their age. No, but part of that is also they don't act their age right like oh my god, I would never. I would lydia yes, I would guess probably closer, but roomie yeah that girl and the thing is that, like lydia has also looked, you know, so she's finally, she is an adult now, so it's like she's. It's like she's kind she's kind of catching up to her age. Yeah, but yeah, rumi, definitely carries herself like a much older person. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I would never, I would never, I would never guess yeah.
Speaker 2:And part of that is, I mean, like, with unschooling they've lived like adults in the world. You know, like it there hasn't been a lot of coddling or a lot of like I'll do that for you. It's like you go to the bank and open your bank account. You go talk to the person. You know like I'm right there with her, but it's like you can call and set up your appointment, you can, you know. So it's like, um, there's been a lot of moving in the world learning how to be a functional adult, and I think that that impacts that as well. But I'm not. I mean, like they have definitely watched the shows where the 20 somethings are playing the teenagers and think that's what a teenager looks like.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I think we should do a different show, by the way, at some point, on unschooling and parenting and stuff. We haven't done one on that, uh unschooling and parenting and stuff.
Speaker 2:We haven't done one on that. That's a big one there's been. There's been one of the mentors that I follow shared that she unschools and the amount of vitririol and judgment and like just really mean behavior from grown adults to me. I'm like I mean this is the problem with mainstream schooling and like the process of indoctrination and conditioning that there are adults who think you can get just spill such anger towards a complete stranger about the way they choose to live their life. Like why do you even why would someone have an opinion about that? Like just look away, go find people that you, you know, like make you feel comfortable internally or something I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's really an interesting. I was just like, and it was great for me, I think, to experience it. Because's really an interesting. I was just like and it was great for me, I think, to experience it because that's been a fear of mine is like what if someone hates me? And I experienced it and I'm like oh yeah, that doesn't even bother me, like I see it for what it is and it's actually really helped me integrate a little more confidence and like fuck all for like people that don't agree with me, because that's none of my business either. You know, have your opinion, I don't. I just don't really have the time or energy to care, mm hmm.
Speaker 1:I think, because apparently we just did a show anyway, even though we didn't know we were going to Right. I feel like we could wrap it here and I think I want to. I feel like I wanted to. The thing I think that was like a thread that came through all of the randomness of this that wasn't actually so random at all is your thread and it comes through.
Speaker 1:It comes through a lot from you, jamie is curiosity it's a word you use a lot and, like you'd said, around the kids, around our relationships, around polarity, around, you know, creating healthy boundaries and being sovereign within relationships. It is curiosity and I really love that thread that came through today and that you know. It doesn't matter where we are in our relating. Again, whether it was my conversation around dating, whether it's from now being in a relationship to whatever right it's been like. There's a curiosity of how do we, how do I, how do I show up here and be the fullest experience of myself and have you be the fullest experience of yourself and this is in friendship too, like Jamie and I here sitting here. It's like how do we each show up and be the fullest expression of ourselves and get to see the other side and get to play the strength to both of us and in in intimate relationships with our kids you know like it's a huge one with my kids is like get curious around. Well, what's actually really going on?
Speaker 2:You have to get curious, because if you think you know you have lost the access to any alternative thing and yeah, this will be a good one actually, because, um, there was a nobel peace prize awarded in 2022 that nobody, like it, talks about, I sent it to you that perceiver, perception, something, uh, reality is not local right Like.
Speaker 2:This is what curiosity does is it allows you to see other potential outcomes versus if you already know. That's all you can see. That's it. You will never actually be able to access the alternative realities to the one that you've chosen, so curiosity opens you to all of that. But yes, that is a much longer conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So next week I would actually say one of the questions that I ask myself often to get into curiosity when in relationship dynamics, and then I think we should end here I mean is that the question I'll ask myself was how can we create a win-win right? It's like how can I, how can I win, how can you win and where's middle ground?
Speaker 2:yes, in any relationship with your kids, with your, everything always has to come back to that right and your boss, your co-worker right, like all of it is so yeah, because it opens up to possibilities.
Speaker 1:Or like. The other question would be like what's possible, what is possible, right, instead of going like it has to be this way, it it's stuck this way. We're in this place. I'm here, you're there, blah, blah, blah, bitch, bitch, bitch. It's like well, it could be, or we could both win. What else? What else is possible that we could both win? Or that all four of us Cause sometimes it's not just two, sometimes it's four, sometimes it's eight, sometimes it's a whole group of people how can we create a win for everybody involved? And so I think that's something we could probably leave you here with is like really start looking around your life and ask yourself, like where you have dynamic dynamics that aren't working, or where you're feeling stuck, well, where's the win? Where's? How can I create a win out of this? Whether it's at work, too, like whether you're stuck, like I don't know what to do, I'm banging my head Well, where's the win? Where's?
Speaker 2:or what else is possible. What else is possible will open up so many alternatives if you're really honestly asking yourself that question. Um, and it alleviates a lot of tension. A lot of you know that like, yeah, stuck feeling, so I think that's a great place to leave everybody today.
Speaker 1:On the show.
Speaker 2:We didn't know we were doing. We will continue this conversation on a you know episode on curiosity specifically.
Speaker 1:Curiosity, parenting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and tell us if you want to hear something specific, like we ping all over the place, and if we ever say, like a thread of something you're like, I want more on that, tell us because we will definitely go there. Hope you all have a wonderful rest of your day and thanks for tuning in. If you enjoyed this show, let us know. We're all about authentic connections, so come chat with us on social media or email. Links are listed in the show notes.
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